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== Overview ==
= Overview =


Cecil Harvey is a close / mid-range character who functions with two different movesets - Dark Knight and Paladin. Due to the risky nature of changing jobs and their distinct strengths, it is often recommended to focus on one job over the other. Cecil can whiff punish effectively from a variety of angles, has decent assist synergy and bravery damage output.  
Cecil Harvey is a close / mid-range character who functions with two different movesets - Dark Knight and Paladin. Due to the risky nature of changing jobs and their distinct strengths, it is often recommended to focus on one job over the other. Cecil can whiff punish effectively from a variety of angles, has decent assist synergy and bravery damage output.  
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* EX (Paladin)
* EX (Paladin)


== Bravery Attacks ==
= Bravery Attacks =


=== Ground (Dark Knight) ===
== Ground (Dark Knight) ==
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|-|Valiant Blow=
|-|Valiant Blow=
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=== Aerial (Paladin) ===
== Aerial (Paladin) ==
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|-|Radiant Wings=
|-|Radiant Wings=
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== HP Attacks ==
= HP Attacks =


=== Ground ===
== Ground ==
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|-|Soul Eater=
|-|Soul Eater=
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=== Aerial ===
== Aerial ==


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== EX Mode: Job Augment! ==
= EX Mode: Job Augment! =


Effects:
Effects:
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* Inner Strength
* Inner Strength


=== Proteus ===
== Proteus ==


''[Activate with R + Square] Bridles light and darkness to instantly change jobs without attacking.''
''[Activate with R + Square] Bridles light and darkness to instantly change jobs without attacking.''


=== Inner Strength ===
== Inner Strength ==


''[Always active while in EX Mode] Each is 1.5 times as powerful.''
''[Always active while in EX Mode] Each attack is 1.5 times as powerful.''


=== EX Burst: Soul Shift ===
=== EX Burst: Face Shift ===


''A chain of attacks combining the power of light and darkness. Enter the commands that appear on both sides of the screen at the same time.''
''A chain of attacks combining the power of light and darkness. Enter the commands that appear on both sides of the screen at the same time.''
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== About the Job System ==
= About the Job System =
Cecil has two jobs, but only has access to one of them at a time. To change jobs, either use Paladin Arts or Dark Step braveries, or grounded HP attack to access Dark Knight or aerial HP to access Paladin.
Cecil has two jobs, but only has access to one of them at a time. To change jobs, either use Paladin Arts or Dark Step braveries, or grounded HP attack to access Dark Knight or aerial HP to access Paladin.


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Cecil ALWAYS starts a fight in Dark Knight form, meaning Paladin-focused players will have to perform an HP attack as soon as the match starts, or bide their time in Dark Knight form until they have an opportunity to change forms without being punished.
Cecil ALWAYS starts a fight in Dark Knight form, meaning Paladin-focused players will have to perform an HP attack as soon as the match starts, or bide their time in Dark Knight form until they have an opportunity to change forms without being punished.


== Builds ==
= Combos =
 
== Solo ==
 
=== Dark Knight ===
 
Dark Cannon is Cecil's only grounded solo combo starter. It cannot combo into Dark Flame or another Dark Cannon.
 
The projectiles travel in a forward-back motion, but the damage output fluctuates a lot with range. Once the projectiles have reached their max range, their damage multiplier (1x4) will become stronger (2x4, 3) and return to Cecil. This latter portion of the attack is often more practical, but because the projectiles don't have excessive hitboxes or much vertical tracaking, Dark Cannon will realistically land at least '''four hits''' (2x3, 3) on it's way back. Please keep this in mind when referencing damage tables for combos involving Dark Cannon.
 
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! scope=col | Combo
! scope=col | Damage
! scope=col | EX Force
! scope=col | Notes
! scope=col | Video
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|Dark Cannon > Valiant Blow || '''49+ WR''' (2x3, 3, 10, 10, 20) || '''42+''' 3, 3, 3, 3, 30 || Basic bravery combo with high damaging wall rush ender. || video
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|Dark Cannon > Shadow Lance || '''59+ WR''' (2x3, 3, 8, 7x6 + WR) ||| '''32''' (3, 3, 3, 3, ~20) || Basic bravery combo with an even more damaging wall rush ender. || video
|-
|Dark Cannon > Soul Eater || '''32 + HP WR''' (2x3, 3, 4, 2x5, 6 + HP WR) || '''42''' (3, 3, 3, 3, 30) || Basic HP combo with wall rush potential. Not prioritized unless Cecil doesn't have Shadow Bringer, which outclasses Soul Eater in a couple areas.
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|Dark Cannon > Shadow Bringer || '''32 + HP WR''' (2x3, 3, 10, 10 + HP WR) || '''42''' (3, 3, 3, 3, 30) || Basic HP combo with better wall rush potential. Shadow Bringer has better frame data and superior knockback for wall rush, outperforming Soul Eater. || video
|}
 
=== Paladin ===
 
Cecil's combo game expands considerably with Slash and Searchlight, moreso the latter. While Slash provides a few self-sufficient solo combos for just the Paladin job, Searchlight also supports Dark Knight followups in and out of EX mode.
 
Similiar to Dark Cannon, Searchlight allows Cecil to combo into Paladin HP attacks. Because these combos don't rely on ground, players may find more opportunities to do them.
 
{|class="wikitable sortable"
! scope=col | Combo
! scope=col | Damage
! scope=col | EX Force
! scope=col | Notes
! scope=col | Video
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| Slash > Free Air Dash > Radiant Wings || '''60 + WR''' (10, 10, 3, 3, 7, 6, 6, 6, 9 + WR) || '''120''' 90, 30 || Ground combo into a wall rush. Cancel Slash's recovery into Free Air Dash and close the gap to follow up with Radiant Wings. || video
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|Slash > Free Air Dash > Sacred Cross || '''50''' (10, 10, 3x5, 5, 10) || '''180''' (90, 90) || Ground combo with higher EX generation. || video
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- Paladin Arts into air bravery or Paladin Force
- Searchlight into Paladin Force, Saint's Fall and most braveries, except Searchlight itself
- Searchlight, dodge cancel, change Jobs (during EX mode) then use Paladin Arts
- Slash (Paladin) -> cancel into Free Air Dash -> Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross
- Slash (Paladin) -> Paladin Force (requires wall / corner to reduce knockback distance)
 
== Assist ==
 
=== Dark Knight ===
Cecil can convert off of wall rush, first part of a bravery attack or by initiating chase. Dark Knight primarily converts off of the first two, while Paladin can also convert off of chase.
Note that Dark Flame can wall rush in stages with low ceiling such Pandaemonium - Top Floor and M.S. Prima Vista!
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|-|Jecht=
1) Valiant Blow (1st part) - Jecht - Dark Cannon - Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / Shadow Bringer / Soul Eater
2) Shadow Lance / HP (wall rush) - Jecht - Dark Cannon - Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / Shadow Bringer / Soul Eater
3) Shadow Lance / HP (wall rush) - Jecht - Paladin Arts - Radiant Wings / Sacred Cross / Paladin Force
4) Gravity Ball (wall rush) - Jecht - dodge cancel forward - Paladin Arts - dodge cancel - Paladin Force
5) Gravity Ball (wall rush) - Jecht - ground dash - Dark Flame
6) Paladin Arts (dark sphere) - Jecht - Dark Cannon - Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / Shadow Bringer / Soul Eater
 
|-|Yuna=
 
The same principles apply as with Jecht assist, except ground wall rush off of Gravity Ball requires a wall for follow-ups. Yuna holds for a shorter amount of time as well.
1) Valiant Blow (1st part) - Yuna - Dark Cannon - BRV / HP
2) Shadow Lance / HP (wall rush) - ground dash if at a distance - Dark Cannon - BRV / HP
3) Valiant Blow / HP (wall rush) - ground dash if at a distance - jump - Paladin Arts - dodge cancel - BRV / HP
 
|-|Sephiroth=
 
Due to the assist's knockback, ending combos in Paladin Force is often most reliable. Shadow Bringer can help in safely transitioning back to Dark Knight, however.
1) Valiant Blow 2nd part + Assist call upon inputting 2nd part - assist teleport - Paladin Force
2) Valiant Blow 2nd part + Assist call upon inputting 2nd part - lock off - assist teleport - turn around to face opponent - Paladin Arts - BRV / HP
3) Shadow Bringer - Assist call after second hit of Shadow Bringer - assist teleport - Paladin Force
4) Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / HP (wall rush) - Sephiroth - Paladin Force
 
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=== Paladin ===
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|-|Aerith=
Empty chase = chase that has been initiated, but no further action is performed during chase
 
Chase sequences allow Cecil to trap the opponent inside Aerith's Seal Evil or brute force an HP attack. What Cecil loses in EX depletion on assist hit, he makes up for it with opportunities to rack up bravery or land an HP attack.
1) Sacred Cross - Assist call - initiate chase - chase HP - if opponent dodged chase HP, Luminous Shard (HP) or Searchlight into Radiant Wings, Sacred Cross or Paladin Force.
2) Radiant Wings (wall rush) - Aerith - dodge cancel - Searchlight - land on ground and approach - Slash - Free Air Dash cancel and dash for a split second - Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross
3) Paladin Force / Saint's Fall (wall rush) - Searchlight - land on ground and approach - Slash - Free Air Dash cancel and dash for a split second - Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross
4) Lightning Rise - Assist call - initiate chase - chase HP - if opponent dodged chase HP, Luminous Shard (HP) or Searchlight into Radiant Wings, Sacred Cross or Paladin Force.
5) Lightning Rise - Assist call - empty chase when Aerith's Seal Evil is about to activate - BRV / HP
6) Dark Step (near wall) - Assist call - empty chase when Aerith's Seal Evil is about to activate - BRV / HP
 
|-|Tidus=
1) Searchlight - Tidus (air) - BRV / HP
2) Radiant Wings (1st part) - Tidus (air) - BRV / HP
3) Radiant Wings (wall rush) - Tidus (ground) - dodge cancel - Searchlight - land on ground and approach - Slash - Free Air Dash cancel and dash for a split second - Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross
4) Sacred Cross (near wall) - Assist call - empty chase - BRV / Paladin Force
5) Sacred Cross (above opponent on the ground) - empty chase - Tidus (ground) - Free Air Dash - Searchlight - land on ground and approach 6) Slash - Free Air Dash cancel and dash for a split second - Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross
7) Dark Step (1st part) - Tidus - BRV / HP
 
|-|Yuna=
1) Searchlight - Yuna (air) - Free Air Dash if at a distance - BRV / HP
2) Radiant Wings (1st part) - Yuna (air) - BRV / HP
3) Radiant Wings (right before wall rush) - Yuna (air) - BRV / HP. Being closer to ground makes Yuna more likely to connect.
4) Sacred Cross (near wall) - Assist call - empty chase - BRV / Paladin Force
5) Dark Step (1st part, near wall) - Yuna (air) - BRV / HP
6) Paladin Force (after BRV damage, but before HP hit) - Yuna (air) - Sacred Cross (if far from ground) / Paladin Force (if close to ground)
 
= Builds =
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|-|Side by Side (Dark Knight)=
|-|Side by Side (Dark Knight)=

Revision as of 01:21, 11 May 2024


Info
Name Cecil Harvey (セシル・ハーヴィ)
Original game Final Fantasy IV
Base ATK (LV100) 109 (Low / +2 as Dark Knight, High)
Base DEF (LV100) 111 (Average / +2 as Paladin, Very High)
Run Speed 9 (Dark Knight, Slow) / 5 (Paladin, Above Average)
Dash Speed 81 (Dark Knight, Below Average) / 77 (Paladin, Average / Good)
Fall Speed 81 (Dark Knight, Average) / 89 (Paladin, Below Average)
Fall Speed Ratio After Dodge 39 (Dark Knight, Average) / 40 (Paladin, Average)
Fastest BRV
Fastest HP
1-Hit HP
HP Links
Command Block
Weapon Axes, Greatswords, Swords
Armor Gauntlets, Heavy Armor, Helms, Light Armor, Shields
Exclusive weapons Dark Sword, Mythgraven Blade, Lustrous Sword, Lightbringer, Cimmerian Edge
Unlock
Alignment
Voice Actor (JP)
Voice Actor (ENG)


Strengths Weaknesses


Overview

Cecil Harvey is a close / mid-range character who functions with two different movesets - Dark Knight and Paladin. Due to the risky nature of changing jobs and their distinct strengths, it is often recommended to focus on one job over the other. Cecil can whiff punish effectively from a variety of angles, has decent assist synergy and bravery damage output.

However he struggles to generate assist meter on whiff due to long start-ups, animation length and late cancel opportunities. EX generation is good for Paladin, but weaker in Dark Knight. With less than ideal speed and tracking, limited effective angles, difficulties staying safe and keeping up in meter economy, Cecil often takes relatively high risks for a lower return.

His arguably safer repertoire is restricted to ground (Dark Knight), which also does not often force his opponents to play into his strengths.

Cecil has been primarily a bottom tier character, with some hope for low tier status. Temper your expectations and you may discover a fun character for yourself.

Build styles:

  • Side by Side (Dark Knight)
  • EX (Paladin)

Bravery Attacks

Ground (Dark Knight)

Base damage Startup frame Type Priority EX Force
10, 10, 20 (40) 15F Physical Melee Low 30
Effects CP (Mastered) Cancels Assist Gain (Hit)
Wall rush 20 (10)
Unlocked at
level 		Mastered at
AP


[Close] Jab foe with blade. Can send foe flying.

Ground (Paladin)

Base damage Startup frame Type Priority EX Force
10, 10 (20) 23F Physical Melee Low 90
Effects CP (Mastered) Cancels Assist Gain (Hit)
Chase 20 (10)
Unlocked at
level 		Mastered at
AP


[Close] Hit foe upwards. Slow, but very accurate strike.

Aerial (Dark Knight)

Base damage Startup frame Type Priority EX Force
7, 2 x 4 (15) 37F Magical Ranged Low 0
Effects CP (Mastered) Cancels Assist Gain (Hit)
Wall Rush 20 (10)
Unlocked at
level 		Mastered at
AP


[Mid] Fire off gravity ball. Good start for ground attacks.

Aerial (Paladin)

Base damage Startup frame Type Priority EX Force
3, 3, 7, 6, 6, 6, 9 (40) 19F Physical Melee Low 30
Effects CP (Mastered) Cancels Assist Gain (Hit)
Wall rush 20 (10)
Unlocked at
level 		Mastered at
AP

HP Attacks

Ground

Base damage Startup frame Type Priority EX Force
4, 2 x 5, 6 (20) 39F Physical Melee High 30
Effects CP (Mastered) Cancels Assist Gain (Hit)
Wall rush 30 (15)
Unlocked at
level 		Mastered at
AP


[Close] Stab fore and devour his soul. Limited height, quick strike.

Aerial

Base damage Startup frame Type Priority EX Force
1 x 3, 2, 1 x 2, 3 (10) 53F Physical Melee High 30
Effects CP (Mastered) Cancels Assist Gain (Hit)
Wall rush 30 (15)
Unlocked at
level 		Mastered at
AP


[Mid] Focus light and charge. From afar, good vs. any height.

EX Mode: Job Augment!

Effects:

  • Regen
  • Critical Boost
  • Proteus
  • Inner Strength

Proteus

[Activate with R + Square] Bridles light and darkness to instantly change jobs without attacking.

Inner Strength

[Always active while in EX Mode] Each attack is 1.5 times as powerful.

EX Burst: Face Shift

A chain of attacks combining the power of light and darkness. Enter the commands that appear on both sides of the screen at the same time.

Damage multiplier (initial) Damage multiplier (rest) Type
6, 9 (15, DK) 15 (PA), 25 (DK), 7 x 2 (DK), 30 (PA) (99 total) Both


About the Job System

Cecil has two jobs, but only has access to one of them at a time. To change jobs, either use Paladin Arts or Dark Step braveries, or grounded HP attack to access Dark Knight or aerial HP to access Paladin.

Jobs can be changed freely outside of attack animations during EX mode by pressing R+Square. This means Cecil often makes himself vulnerable in order to change movesets, making this adjustment rather risky for Cecil. Not only that, equipping Shadow Bringer or Luminous Shard HP attack locks Cecil out of equipping the other HP, further incentivising into dedicated Dark Knight or Paladin play.

Cecil ALWAYS starts a fight in Dark Knight form, meaning Paladin-focused players will have to perform an HP attack as soon as the match starts, or bide their time in Dark Knight form until they have an opportunity to change forms without being punished.

Combos

Solo

Dark Knight

Dark Cannon is Cecil's only grounded solo combo starter. It cannot combo into Dark Flame or another Dark Cannon.

The projectiles travel in a forward-back motion, but the damage output fluctuates a lot with range. Once the projectiles have reached their max range, their damage multiplier (1x4) will become stronger (2x4, 3) and return to Cecil. This latter portion of the attack is often more practical, but because the projectiles don't have excessive hitboxes or much vertical tracaking, Dark Cannon will realistically land at least four hits (2x3, 3) on it's way back. Please keep this in mind when referencing damage tables for combos involving Dark Cannon.

Combo Damage EX Force Notes Video
Dark Cannon > Valiant Blow 49+ WR (2x3, 3, 10, 10, 20) 42+ 3, 3, 3, 3, 30 Basic bravery combo with high damaging wall rush ender. video
Dark Cannon > Shadow Lance 59+ WR (2x3, 3, 8, 7x6 + WR) 32 (3, 3, 3, 3, ~20) Basic bravery combo with an even more damaging wall rush ender. video
Dark Cannon > Soul Eater 32 + HP WR (2x3, 3, 4, 2x5, 6 + HP WR) 42 (3, 3, 3, 3, 30) Basic HP combo with wall rush potential. Not prioritized unless Cecil doesn't have Shadow Bringer, which outclasses Soul Eater in a couple areas.
Dark Cannon > Shadow Bringer 32 + HP WR (2x3, 3, 10, 10 + HP WR) 42 (3, 3, 3, 3, 30) Basic HP combo with better wall rush potential. Shadow Bringer has better frame data and superior knockback for wall rush, outperforming Soul Eater. video

Paladin

Cecil's combo game expands considerably with Slash and Searchlight, moreso the latter. While Slash provides a few self-sufficient solo combos for just the Paladin job, Searchlight also supports Dark Knight followups in and out of EX mode.

Similiar to Dark Cannon, Searchlight allows Cecil to combo into Paladin HP attacks. Because these combos don't rely on ground, players may find more opportunities to do them.

Combo Damage EX Force Notes Video
Slash > Free Air Dash > Radiant Wings 60 + WR (10, 10, 3, 3, 7, 6, 6, 6, 9 + WR) 120 90, 30 Ground combo into a wall rush. Cancel Slash's recovery into Free Air Dash and close the gap to follow up with Radiant Wings. video
Slash > Free Air Dash > Sacred Cross 50 (10, 10, 3x5, 5, 10) 180 (90, 90) Ground combo with higher EX generation. video

- Paladin Arts into air bravery or Paladin Force - Searchlight into Paladin Force, Saint's Fall and most braveries, except Searchlight itself - Searchlight, dodge cancel, change Jobs (during EX mode) then use Paladin Arts - Slash (Paladin) -> cancel into Free Air Dash -> Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross - Slash (Paladin) -> Paladin Force (requires wall / corner to reduce knockback distance)

Assist

Dark Knight

Cecil can convert off of wall rush, first part of a bravery attack or by initiating chase. Dark Knight primarily converts off of the first two, while Paladin can also convert off of chase.


Note that Dark Flame can wall rush in stages with low ceiling such Pandaemonium - Top Floor and M.S. Prima Vista!

1) Valiant Blow (1st part) - Jecht - Dark Cannon - Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / Shadow Bringer / Soul Eater

2) Shadow Lance / HP (wall rush) - Jecht - Dark Cannon - Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / Shadow Bringer / Soul Eater 3) Shadow Lance / HP (wall rush) - Jecht - Paladin Arts - Radiant Wings / Sacred Cross / Paladin Force 4) Gravity Ball (wall rush) - Jecht - dodge cancel forward - Paladin Arts - dodge cancel - Paladin Force 5) Gravity Ball (wall rush) - Jecht - ground dash - Dark Flame

6) Paladin Arts (dark sphere) - Jecht - Dark Cannon - Valiant Blow / Shadow Lance / Shadow Bringer / Soul Eater

Paladin

Empty chase = chase that has been initiated, but no further action is performed during chase


Chase sequences allow Cecil to trap the opponent inside Aerith's Seal Evil or brute force an HP attack. What Cecil loses in EX depletion on assist hit, he makes up for it with opportunities to rack up bravery or land an HP attack.

1) Sacred Cross - Assist call - initiate chase - chase HP - if opponent dodged chase HP, Luminous Shard (HP) or Searchlight into Radiant Wings, Sacred Cross or Paladin Force. 2) Radiant Wings (wall rush) - Aerith - dodge cancel - Searchlight - land on ground and approach - Slash - Free Air Dash cancel and dash for a split second - Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross 3) Paladin Force / Saint's Fall (wall rush) - Searchlight - land on ground and approach - Slash - Free Air Dash cancel and dash for a split second - Radiant Wings or Sacred Cross 4) Lightning Rise - Assist call - initiate chase - chase HP - if opponent dodged chase HP, Luminous Shard (HP) or Searchlight into Radiant Wings, Sacred Cross or Paladin Force. 5) Lightning Rise - Assist call - empty chase when Aerith's Seal Evil is about to activate - BRV / HP

6) Dark Step (near wall) - Assist call - empty chase when Aerith's Seal Evil is about to activate - BRV / HP

Assists

Cecil's assist data

Type Attack Startup Position Spawn Damage multiplier Effects
BRV Shadow Lance 35F Ground Opponent 8, 7 x 6 (up to 50) Wall Rush
BRV Radiant Wings 19F Air Opponent 3, 3, 7, 6, 6, 9 Wall Rush
HP Soul Eater 39F Ground Opponent 4, 2 x 5, 6 (20) Wall Rush
HP Saint's Fall 53F Air Opponent 1 x 3, 2, 1 x 2, 3 (10) Wall Rush


Dark Knight Assists

Fast whiff punishes, converts off of Cecil's key moves and wall rush, sets up solo combos and lets him transition into Dark Knight from Paladin on hit as part of a combo.

Paladin Assists

Lets Cecil combo Sacred Cross into an HP by initiating a chase at the cost of no EX depletion on hit. As such, can set up solo combos anywhere. Combos safely into Luminous Shard without being staggered by LV2 Assist Change.

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