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Muggshotter: /* Dodge Punishment */

2024-09-28T23:07:52Z

Dodge Punishment

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	Punishing Tidus' air dodges is pretty difficult without walls, landing lag or assist to back up interactions. Many characters have to get close for a dodge punish or meaningful reward on hit, so use your own dash and gauge Tidus' response. It is more common to punish Tidus ''after'' the usual dodge punish window, so his next move can make or break the counterplay.		Punishing Tidus' air dodges is pretty difficult without walls, landing lag or assist to back up interactions. Many characters have to get close for a dodge punish or meaningful reward on hit, so use your own dash and gauge Tidus' response. It is more common to punish Tidus ''after'' the usual dodge punish window, so his next move can make or break the counterplay.

	Walls can reduce distance travelled with a dodge. If Tidus is close to the ground, he has to choose between vulnerable landing lag or stalling his air time with an attack. ~~Use~~ this positional awareness to inform your decision making.		Walls can reduce distance travelled with a dodge. If Tidus is close to the ground, he has to choose between vulnerable landing lag or stalling his air time with an attack. This is typically a choice between landing lag or a Hop Step which can be blocked, so use this positional awareness to inform your decision making.

	If you dash to ~~the opponent~~ on time, ~~Tidus~~ may be tempted to do a dodge attack as a last resort defensive option. Waiting out this attack and then blocking it is an effective strategy, but only when you have a good read on Tidus' patterns and the current situation. If your next hit does not cause a considerable setback for Tidus, he may not opt for a dodge attack initially. But eventually he ''has'' to if he keeps getting caught in these situations.		If you dash to Tidus on time, the opponent may be tempted to do a dodge attack as a last resort defensive option. ''Waiting out this attack and then blocking it'' is an effective strategy, but only when you have a good read on Tidus player's patterns and the current situation. If your next hit does not cause a considerable setback for Tidus, he may not opt for a dodge attack initially. But eventually he ''has'' to if he keeps getting caught in these situations.

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Muggshotter: /* Dodge Punishment */

2024-09-28T23:06:14Z

Dodge Punishment

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	== Dodge Punishment ==		== Dodge Punishment ==

	Punishing Tidus' air dodges is pretty difficult without walls, landing lag or assist to back up interactions. Many characters have to get close for a dodge punish or meaningful reward on hit, so use your own dash and gauge Tidus' response. It is more common to punish Tidus ''after'' the usual dodge punish window, so ~~the following actions~~ can make or break the counterplay.		Punishing Tidus' air dodges is pretty difficult without walls, landing lag or assist to back up interactions. Many characters have to get close for a dodge punish or meaningful reward on hit, so use your own dash and gauge Tidus' response. It is more common to punish Tidus ''after'' the usual dodge punish window, so his next move can make or break the counterplay.

	Walls can reduce distance travelled with a dodge. If Tidus is close to the ground, he has to choose between vulnerable landing lag or stalling his air time with an attack. Use this positional awareness to inform your decision making.		Walls can reduce distance travelled with a dodge. If Tidus is close to the ground, he has to choose between vulnerable landing lag or stalling his air time with an attack. Use this positional awareness to inform your decision making.

Muggshotter: /* Offense */

2024-09-28T23:01:23Z

Offense

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	Tidus' defense can be difficult to beat consistently because of low recovery Hop Step and relatively safe air dodges. There aren't many avenues for bonafide rushdown, so you may have to structure your offense around pattern recognition and Tidus' post-dodge interactions. Fast attacks with some tracking can catch Tidus running sideways, such as Squall's Upper Blues BRV.		Tidus' defense can be difficult to beat consistently because of low recovery Hop Step and relatively safe air dodges. There aren't many avenues for bonafide rushdown, so you may have to structure your offense around pattern recognition and Tidus' post-dodge interactions. Fast attacks with some tracking can catch Tidus running sideways, such as Squall's Upper Blues BRV.

	It is worth noting that while dodge punishing Tidus may not be feasible in most scenarios, you can still pursue him with Free Air Dash to generate assist gauge safely. This can add up over time if Tidus doesn't whiff punish in these situations, which eventually opens up the possibility of a LV2 Assist Change stagger if you get hit.		It is worth noting that while dodge punishing Tidus may not be feasible in most scenarios, you can still pursue him with Free Air Dash to generate assist gauge safely. This can add up over time if Tidus doesn't whiff punish in these situations, which eventually opens up the possibility of a LV2 Assist Change stagger counter if you get hit.

	The defense and dodge punishment sections have more on playing around Tidus' weaknesses, so please refer to them for more information.		The defense and dodge punishment sections have more on playing around Tidus' weaknesses, so please refer to them for more information.

Muggshotter: /* Offense */ Added info on anti-tidus offense.

2024-09-28T23:00:37Z

Offense: Added info on anti-tidus offense.

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	== Offense ==		== Offense ==

			Tidus' defense can be difficult to beat consistently because of low recovery Hop Step and relatively safe air dodges. There aren't many avenues for bonafide rushdown, so you may have to structure your offense around pattern recognition and Tidus' post-dodge interactions. Fast attacks with some tracking can catch Tidus running sideways, such as Squall's Upper Blues BRV.

			It is worth noting that while dodge punishing Tidus may not be feasible in most scenarios, you can still pursue him with Free Air Dash to generate assist gauge safely. This can add up over time if Tidus doesn't whiff punish in these situations, which eventually opens up the possibility of a LV2 Assist Change stagger if you get hit.

			The defense and dodge punishment sections have more on playing around Tidus' weaknesses, so please refer to them for more information.

	== Defense ==		== Defense ==

Muggshotter: /* Defense */

2024-09-28T22:48:00Z

Defense

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	* Command blocks. Tidus has no low commitment option to cleanly beat them without putting himself at the risk of getting hit. Well placed command blocks after dodges can especially halt his offense and skew the risk / reward in your favor.		* Command blocks. Tidus has no low commitment option to cleanly beat them without putting himself at the risk of getting hit. Well placed command blocks after dodges can especially halt his offense and skew the risk / reward in your favor.

			* Mid range positioning. Tidus' mid range attacks are reactable when used further away from his opponent. Most of Tidus' interactions happen in close range, so staying outside of that range can make it harder for him to attack. Just be wary of his dodge punish attempts.

	* Verticality. Without assist or Free Air Dash, Tidus cannot reliably [https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Anti-Air '''anti-air'''] or hit opponents below him. Because of the prominent synergy with Aerith assist, Tidus' assist punishes are also weaker. It only takes 1 or 2 dodges for Tidus to have caught up with you however.		* Verticality. Without assist or Free Air Dash, Tidus cannot reliably [https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Anti-Air '''anti-air'''] or hit opponents below him. Because of the prominent synergy with Aerith assist, Tidus' assist punishes are also weaker. It only takes 1 or 2 dodges for Tidus to have caught up with you however.

Muggshotter: /* Meter Usage */

2024-09-28T22:42:38Z

Meter Usage

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	== Meter Usage ==		== Meter Usage ==
	* BRV Assist for ~~assist followups~~.		* BRV Assist for combos.

	* LV2 Assist Change > Free Air Dash > Hop Step.		* LV2 Assist Change (stagger) > Free Air Dash > Hop Step.

			* Aerith's [[Aerith_Gainsborough_(Dissidia_012)#Holy\|'''Holy''']] to enforce a situation where the opponent has to take action against Aerith herself or the Holy projectile.

			* Slice & Dice > Aerith assist to clash favorably against high priority blocks. Call Aerith ''before'' Slice & Dice makes contact.

	* Assist during an attack's startup to greatly increase its vertical tracking. This is good for surprise attacks, dodge punishes and punishing long-winded attacks from long distance. The most practical application is arguably with Full Slide and Slice & Dice; They can scoop opponents from below who just dodged.		* Assist during an attack's startup to greatly increase its vertical tracking. This is good for surprise attacks, dodge punishes and punishing long-winded attacks from long distance. The most practical application is arguably with Full Slide and Slice & Dice; They can scoop opponents from below who just dodged.

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	* Aerith's [[Aerith_Gainsborough_(Dissidia_012)#Holy\|'''Holy''']] to enforce a situation where the opponent has to take action against Aerith herself or the Holy projectile.

	* Slice & Dice > Aerith assist to clash favorably against high priority blocks. Call Aerith ''before'' Slice & Dice makes contact.

	= Counterstrategies =		= Counterstrategies =

Muggshotter: /* Defense (General) */

2024-09-28T22:41:12Z

Defense (General)

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	* Running / air jumps. Tidus' movement speed is good enough to make some bravery attacks whiff all on their own. This does open up Tidus to fast attacks if he happens to be in its range, but it is one of his best options; It can facilitate mistakes in close range without high commitment.		* Running / air jumps. Tidus' movement speed is good enough to make some bravery attacks whiff all on their own. This does open up Tidus to fast attacks if he happens to be in its range, but it is one of his best options; It can facilitate mistakes in close range without high commitment.

	* Dodge > dodge bravery attack. If the opponent is committed to hitting Tidus during a dodge's recovery, Tidus can ~~quickly~~ evade this with a dodge attack such as Cut & Run or Stick & Move. These attacks are pretty slow to come out though, make sure the opponent is not baiting you into using them.		* Dodge > dodge bravery attack to quickly defend after dodging. If the opponent is committed to hitting Tidus during a dodge's recovery, Tidus can evade this with a dodge attack such as Cut & Run or Stick & Move. These attacks are pretty slow to come out though, so make sure the opponent is not baiting you into using them.

	* Whiff Hop Step close to the opponent. This can also be good for provoking a response out of the opponent. If they are slow to react or do something out of reflex, Tidus can still attempt a counterplay with another bravery, dodge or a blodge. The exact range can differ between matchups.		* Whiff Hop Step close to the opponent. This can also be good for provoking a response out of the opponent. If they are slow to react or do something out of reflex, Tidus can still attempt a counterplay with another bravery, dodge or a blodge. The exact range can differ between matchups.

Muggshotter: /* Offense (General) */

2024-09-28T22:03:27Z

Offense (General)

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	Tidus' dash speed is great, but his mid range attacks aren't ideal for initiating offense. If you see the opponent miss an attack, this is a good opportunity to go in and provoke a response or line up a [[Dodge_(Dissidia_012)#Dodge_punishment\|'''dodge punish.''']]		Tidus' dash speed is great, but his mid range attacks aren't ideal for initiating offense. If you see the opponent miss an attack, this is a good opportunity to go in and provoke a response or line up a [[Dodge_(Dissidia_012)#Dodge_punishment\|'''dodge punish.''']]

	* '''Free Air Dash / Ground Dash to the opponent and poke with Hop Step bravery.''' [https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Mixup '''Mixup'''] with air jumps, dash feints and blodges to keep the opponent guessing. Tidus does not have many effective offensive mixups in terms of raw attacks, so he has to utilise other techniques to punish opponents for retaliating.		* '''Free Air Dash / Ground Dash to the opponent and poke with Hop Step bravery.''' [https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Mixup '''Mixup'''] with air jumps, dash feints and blodges to keep the opponent guessing. Tidus does not have many effective offensive mixups in terms of raw attacks, so he has to utilise other techniques to punish opponents for retaliating. Maintaining position just outside of poke range with jumps and varying the timing with dash or Hop Step will help him land a hit or keep building assist gauge.

	* If you are confident in reading the opponent's next attack, Energy Rain or the appropriate dodge bravery can evade it and strike back as a hard callout. Very risky, it is better to get comfortable with braveries and movement first.		* If you are confident in reading the opponent's next attack, Energy Rain or the appropriate dodge bravery can evade it and strike back as a hard callout. Very risky, it is better to get comfortable with braveries and movement first.

Muggshotter: /* Counterstrategies */ Added counterstrats. Add info on offense later.

2024-09-19T09:42:11Z

Counterstrategies: Added counterstrats. Add info on offense later.

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 == Meter Usage ==
 == Dodge Punishment ==
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Muggshotter: /* Meter Usage */

2024-09-19T09:02:13Z

Meter Usage

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	== Meter Usage ==		== Meter Usage ==
			* BRV Assist for assist followups.

			* LV2 Assist Change > Free Air Dash > Hop Step.

			* Assist during an attack's startup to greatly increase its vertical tracking. This is good for surprise attacks, dodge punishes and punishing long-winded attacks from long distance. The most practical application is arguably with Full Slide and Slice & Dice; They can scoop opponents from below who just dodged.

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			* Aerith's [[Aerith_Gainsborough_(Dissidia_012)#Holy\|'''Holy''']] to enforce a situation where the opponent has to take action against Aerith herself or the Holy projectile.

			* Slice & Dice > Aerith assist to clash favorably against high priority blocks. Call Aerith ''before'' Slice & Dice makes contact.

	= Counterstrategies =		= Counterstrategies =