Cecil Harvey (Dissidia 012)/Strategy - Revision history

Muggshotter at 22:00, 9 August 2024

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	= Strategy =		= Strategy =
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	* If Shadow Bringer is staggered with LV2 Assist Change, the opponent can usually dash towards Cecil and enforce an interaction.		* If Shadow Bringer is staggered with LV2 Assist Change, the opponent can usually dash towards Cecil and enforce an interaction.
	* Since Paladin Force ends with a diving attack from above, it can be staggered with LV2 Assist Change just before the guardin period ends; This creates more frame advantage for you to retaliate afterwards, as long as you are not at the ceiling. Assist Change will send you downwards if it's done at the ceiling.		* Since Paladin Force ends with a diving attack from above, it can be staggered with LV2 Assist Change just before the guardin period ends; This creates more frame advantage for you to retaliate afterwards, as long as you are not at the ceiling. Assist Change will send you downwards if it's done at the ceiling.

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Muggshotter at 09:52, 14 May 2024

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Muggshotter at 08:59, 14 May 2024

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Muggshotter: /* Counterstrategies */

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Counterstrategies

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	== Offense ==		== Offense ==

			* Dashing towards Cecil with Free Air Dash shuts down many of his projectiles. Gravity Ball, Paladin Arts, Searchlight all lose to an aggressive approach. Whenever Cecil is at mid range, it's his safest range to use these moves in.
			* Dark Cannon be dashed through on start-up and hit Cecil for using it.
			* Assist depletion can greatly cripple Cecil's momentum.

	== Defense ==		== Defense ==

			* If your character has fast running speed like {{012pri}}, it can be leveraged to make Paladin Cecil whiff more. Move backwards, away from Cecil and watch him track first before whiffing.
			* Air dodge (backwards) makes it difficult for Paladin Cecil and Dark Knight Cecil's Dark Flame to hit you. Be wary of landing lag regardless of which job he is in, however!
			* Dark Flame is susceptible to high priority blocks, such as Exdeath's Omni Block.
			* Multi Air Slide and glides help in evading Dark Flame
			* Dark Flame can be whiff punished with an assist, but the timing requires the flame to have travelled for a moment for it to work safely, roughly half of it's max travel distance. After a certain point the flame follows a set path -at about the apex-, continuing at it's current angle downward. Use slower assists like Kuja (ground) with due diligence.
			* Dark Flame loses to Precision Evasion, but this can be challenging to do and capitalise on when done from above.
			* Shadow Lance can be whiff punished with assist, but be aware of the assist's speed - Kuja on the ground is particularly slow.
			* Fast assists such as {{012jec}} and {{012tid}} (air brv) can whiff punish majority of Cecil's attacks on reaction. Utilising assist meter in this way creates oppressive situations where Cecil has to take high risks just to survive.

	== Meter Usage ==		== Meter Usage ==
	* If Shadow Bringer is staggered ~~during~~ LV2 Assist Change, the opponent can usually dash towards Cecil and enforce an interaction.		* If Shadow Bringer is staggered with LV2 Assist Change, the opponent can usually dash towards Cecil and enforce an interaction.
			* Since Paladin Force ends with a diving attack from above, it can be staggered with LV2 Assist Change just before the guardin period ends; This creates more frame advantage for you to retaliate afterwards, as long as you are not at the ceiling. Assist Change will send you downwards if it's done at the ceiling.

Muggshotter at 07:31, 14 May 2024

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	* Cecil can contest straightforward attacks that come after a dodge with Sacred Cross by going under them.		* Cecil can contest straightforward attacks that come after a dodge with Sacred Cross by going under them.
	* When defending, Sacred Cross can also be used as a post-dodge defensive option for it's evasive movement.		* When defending, Sacred Cross can also be used as a post-dodge defensive option for it's evasive movement.

			= Counterstrategies =

			== Offense ==

			== Defense ==

			== Meter Usage ==
			* If Shadow Bringer is staggered during LV2 Assist Change, the opponent can usually dash towards Cecil and enforce an interaction.

Muggshotter: /* Dodge Punishment */

2024-05-14T07:30:23Z

Dodge Punishment

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	* Spot dashing works as well for building assist meter, but Cecil does not have many moves to safely stall meter decay afterwards. Valiant Blow, Dark Flame and Shadow Bringer are all good moves for this. If Cecil has to take it to the air, Reverse Air Dash (Quickmove) into Nightfall can also work.		* Spot dashing works as well for building assist meter, but Cecil does not have many moves to safely stall meter decay afterwards. Valiant Blow, Dark Flame and Shadow Bringer are all good moves for this. If Cecil has to take it to the air, Reverse Air Dash (Quickmove) into Nightfall can also work.

	== Dodge Punishment ==		== Dodge Punishment (Ground) ==

	* Ground Dash > Shadow Bringer punishes neutral and side dodges.		* Ground Dash > Shadow Bringer punishes neutral and side dodges.

Muggshotter: /* Defense (Ground) */

2024-05-14T07:30:16Z

Defense (Ground)

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	* After guarding an air attack on the ground, Soul Eater can easily miss when used to retaliate. Shadow Bringer, Dark Flame or jump into Paladin Force are more reliable HP attacks.		* After guarding an air attack on the ground, Soul Eater can easily miss when used to retaliate. Shadow Bringer, Dark Flame or jump into Paladin Force are more reliable HP attacks.
	* For assist meter generation, Valiant Blow and Shadow Bringer are decent options but use them carefully.		* For assist meter generation, Valiant Blow and Shadow Bringer are decent options but use them carefully. Shadow Bringer's overall quick animation makes it difficult to whiff punish with an assist too.
	* Dark Flame can be used to occupy space and build assist meter. As it puts pressure on the opponent, Cecil can get away with whiffing this move.		* Dark Flame can be used to occupy space and build assist meter. As it puts pressure on the opponent, Cecil can get away with whiffing this move.
	* Shadow Lance can reflect mid and high priority projectiles when done very close to them.		* Shadow Lance can reflect mid and high priority projectiles when done very close to them.

Muggshotter: /* Offense (Ground) */

2024-05-14T07:29:25Z

Offense (Ground)

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	== Offense (Ground) ==		== Offense (Ground) ==

	* Shadow Bringer is unreactable on start-up, this is your primary HP threat up close. Mix up with dashes and braveries such as Valiant Blow.		* Shadow Bringer is unreactable on start-up, this is your primary HP threat up close. If it clashes with lower melee priority braveries, it will stagger and the followup can hit the opponent if they're close enough. Mix up with dashes and braveries such as Valiant Blow.
	* Use Valiant Blow or Shadow Bringer to catch landing lag.		* Use Valiant Blow or Shadow Bringer to catch landing lag.
	* Use Dark Flame directly under opponents if possible. Works well against positional dodges. Dodging this and punishing Cecil for using it become more difficult due to tracking and long active collision.		* Use Dark Flame directly under opponents if possible. Works well against positional dodges. Dodging this and punishing Cecil for using it become more difficult due to tracking and long active collision.

Muggshotter: /* Defense (Ground) */

2024-05-14T07:28:03Z

Defense (Ground)

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	* Dark Flame can be used to occupy space and build assist meter. As it puts pressure on the opponent, Cecil can get away with whiffing this move.		* Dark Flame can be used to occupy space and build assist meter. As it puts pressure on the opponent, Cecil can get away with whiffing this move.
	* Shadow Lance can reflect mid and high priority projectiles when done very close to them.		* Shadow Lance can reflect mid and high priority projectiles when done very close to them.
			* Infinite Reverse Ground Dashing in Order's Sanctuary works for Cecil. It can be used to play runaway style and build assist meter without whiffing attacks all the time. Just pick your attack timing carefully when preventing assist meter decay that comes from just dashing.
	* Spot dashing works as well for building assist meter, but Cecil does not have many moves to safely stall meter decay afterwards. Valiant Blow, Dark Flame and Shadow Bringer are all good moves for this. If Cecil has to take it to the air, Reverse Air Dash (Quickmove) into Nightfall can also work.		* Spot dashing works as well for building assist meter, but Cecil does not have many moves to safely stall meter decay afterwards. Valiant Blow, Dark Flame and Shadow Bringer are all good moves for this. If Cecil has to take it to the air, Reverse Air Dash (Quickmove) into Nightfall can also work.

Muggshotter: /* Defense (Aerial) */

2024-05-14T07:23:57Z

Defense (Aerial)

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	* Sacred Cross is also good for retaliating after staggering with LV2 Assist Change of your own.		* Sacred Cross is also good for retaliating after staggering with LV2 Assist Change of your own.
	* When building assist meter, Luminous Shard, Sacred Cross, Searchlight and [[Lock_Off\|'''lock off Radiant Wings''']] (facing away from opponent) can be used sparingly from a distance.		* When building assist meter, Luminous Shard, Sacred Cross, Searchlight and [[Lock_Off\|'''lock off Radiant Wings''']] (facing away from opponent) can be used sparingly from a distance.
			* If opponent escapes from Paladin Force with LV1 Assist Change, make sure to mash air dodge in case they try a counter attack. If the multi-hit portion of PF makes contact with assist, it can allow Cecil to dodge cancel earlier than what would be normally possible.

	== Dodge Punishment (Aerial) ==		== Dodge Punishment (Aerial) ==